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Alimama主动出击，进军广告交易市场

昨天和一个站长聊广告合作，他提出了一些问题，很有代表性，这里也一并贴出来，分享一下：）

感谢令狐狐对阿里妈妈的信任，并且帮助阿里妈妈推广宣传。各位看客看完了别忘了也去注册个帐号哦。

现在就去阿里妈妈发布广告位

pinson：想和你聊下阿里妈妈广告合作事宜 还在么？阿里妈妈广告的事

令狐孤：啥事？

pinson：想在你们网站上投放广告

令狐孤：您是什么类型的广告？

pinson：推广阿里妈妈

令狐孤：怎么合作？

pinson：我们现在只能使用阿里妈妈平台交易

pinson：需要你把广告位放到阿里妈妈上交易，然后我们来购买 在最上面的468X60的广告位可以卖么？

令狐孤：那个位置是整站广告位，月2000

pinson：明白，现在全站IP多少？

令狐孤：没怎么统计。每天都在涨。8月1号开站的。估计现在主站日IP5000以上，论坛也差不多，整体1万多点，纯量，没有作弊的，如果作弊，可以刷到20万，那就没必要了。百度前段时间惩罚，今天刚收录到7万页，原来搜索比重只占2%，估计这个星期可以达到30%左右。你自己想想量会涨到什么程度

 pinson ：了解，2000块钱再多送两个广告位哈

令狐孤：顶部位置我们标价是8000，因为刚开站，所以现在没有卖。你应该比我更了解站点运营思路。尤其是广告价格的问题。论坛位那个图片广告是800月，已经被人买断了

pinson：当然，我们也是期望和站长们一起发展的。毕竟我们也是刚刚开始哈

令狐孤：看广告价格，是要看站点前景，不是现有IP或者综合IP。站长类站点针对的可全部是目标用户。

pinson ：哦，或者你多添些广告位在阿里妈妈上也好 近期，大买家已经开始在阿里妈妈进行大采购了 也希望你的位置能够尽快卖出去哈

令狐孤：一般我们的消费体是针对IDC和联盟的。短期内没有对广告有太大的要求。宁愿空着放公益广告，而不低价处理，这个为什么，您比我清楚的多

pinson：明白，你也可以把广告位留在阿里妈妈上，或许可以卖出去哈 现在是阿里妈妈集中推广期，也想和你这边有更多的合作。 今天可以把广告位加上去了么？我想咱们今天就直接成交了：）

令狐孤：可以。

pinson：还希望多多支持阿里妈妈，以后需要什么支持的话可以找我，呵呵

令狐孤：好的。

pinson：你弄好了后给我消息哈

令狐孤：好了。奇怪，怎么没有激活？

pinson：我帮你看看

令狐孤：处理了吗？

pinson：系统正在更新，稍等几分钟就好。：）呵呵，系统上线不久，好多都在完善中哈：）

令狐孤：OK了。其他可以看到该广告位的链接这个栏目你们的爬虫非爬死。。。款项什么时候到？（注：由于长时间没有收到答复，我撤销了广告）

pinson ：没有，我正在协调广告位明天就上架。正在沟通中，呵呵 好了我告诉你哈 你把广告位上架吧，十分钟后就会被买掉了：）

令狐孤：在相信你一次。。。千万不要在让我失望了。放好了。我去吃饭。等10分钟以后在看

pinson：已经买好了，现在显示的是27号才上线，下午的时候会把开始时间提前到25号。钱已付 合作愉快！

令狐孤：怎么拿到这钱？怎么搞不懂你们的系统。。。

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pinson ：这个是一个交易平台，交易成功后，钱会支付给支付宝第三方，一旦广告投放完毕后，就可以拿到这笔钱了 届时可以通过支付宝提现：） 广告将在明天上线，今天可以出点击广告

令狐孤：要投放完毕？也就是说，我要等上一个月才可以拿到？万一不给了怎么办？有没有预付的？

pinson：阿里妈妈是作为一个诚信的第三方建立的交易平台，希望你能相信阿里妈妈：） 因为钱已经支付给阿里妈妈

令狐孤：为什么不一礼拜一礼拜结算？

pinson：我直接买的一个月的，如果你需要的话可以一个一个礼拜购买：）到时候你可以每个礼拜都看到确认的收入 阿里妈妈会每个月15日左右将您当月的收入通过支付宝支付到你的支付宝账户

令狐孤：我们一直做预付费广告。现在你突然来个这个，毕竟第一次合作，不太放心。你这也是做样板工程。还有，看到你们条款，可以预付。那也就是说，我的广告费需要等到10月15号才收到？

pinson：理解你说的不信任，不过你可以看看现在支付宝、雅虎等大广告主都已经在阿里妈妈投放。而且我们和阿里联盟有紧密的合作关系，现在阿里联盟的用户已经有绿色通道可以直接注册阿里妈妈。阿里联盟隶属于雅虎，这个的信誉自然不用说的了。 而且，做这种平台需要的是诚信。我们也是希望建立中国诚信的广告平台。我想，淘宝就是一个先行者。
我们尾随其后，主要面向的是广告市场 。如果按照现在我一次性投放一个月的话，你需要等到10月15号才能收到。但如果我改成一周一周的购买的话，最快9月15号就能收到广告费
令狐孤：这个我不知道，我只知道我原来做的是预付广告。所有人都是先打款后上广告。你们做阿里妈妈的，平台大，但是，最起码，让我看到有部分预付，万一上了一个月，而我一分钱拿不到。还不是白搭。

pinson：明白。这就跟淘宝上买东西一样，货款都是先付给支付宝，然后确认付款之后才支付宝才会将货款支付给卖家。其实，是同样的道理，买卖双方在购买之前其实都是互不相信的，非常需要阿里妈妈这样的平台为大家解决后顾之忧。我们会为双方提供诚信的担保 而且这样也是为了吸引更多的广告买家购买广告位，能够让大家的广告位价值得到体现

令狐孤：但是，我到现在也没有看到我支付宝里有钱，阿里妈妈平台下我也没有看到里面有钱。很奇怪。因为我第一次，不知道你们的操作过程。所以我要问清楚。我问了以后，我会整理下，发布到站点以及很多平台上。
pinson：当然，非常感谢你的理解哈：）  对于这种包时长广告，在广告未投放完成之前这笔钱还不是卖家的。收入会在广告投放完成之后48小时内显示

令狐孤：第一，可否预付。第二，周付什么时候结算？为什么不是时时到帐，而选择月结算。第三，怎么保障阿里妈妈的钱就一定可以到我帐户上。

pinson：现在阿里妈妈还是Beta版，有很多功能并不太完善，也期望您多提意见与建议。
1、现在不支持预付，是以第三方担保的方式保证利益
2、包周广告收入会在一周之后看到，结算是采用的月结。初步原因是为了充分保障买家利益。当然，我们也正在考虑实时结算，但的确要考虑到各方利益：）
3、阿里妈妈的账户是被支付宝监管的账户，支付宝则是中国最大的第三方支付平台，信任是合作的基础。

令狐孤：那卖家利益就不考虑在内了？买家是好了。有点能力的卖家谁还跑你这卖广告？当然，你如果做到淘宝那样的，人家会来，但是你不是淘宝，在说了，淘宝周期也没有那么长。支付宝监管？那问题是我支付宝里并没有看到这笔资金，而在我放你们广告的位置上，那个广告已经显示是售出的。

你们主站没有详细的说明。没有详细的新手教程。确实。你们前期炒的很好。问题是，后来这批人，你怎么服务好。我说真的，我宁愿去等预付费广告。为什么？保障我自己的利益。万一投放了一个月以后，你来个莫须有的罪名拒绝支付，我怎么办？看了你们公司的名字，叫什么晃点网络。晃点网络的意思就是忽悠。。。

pinson：所以的确非常期望能够得到您这边的意见和建议，让阿里妈妈继续发展，也把中国的网络广告交易市场搞起来哈：）

令狐孤：你现在的最大问题是交易的互动性，你现在短期内是可以砸钱找大站放广告位给买家，但是，最终目的是想互动。现在不好好想想卖家和买家平衡。很难发展下去。不做好这个工作，几个负面文章阿里妈妈就得倒。

 pinson：当然，平台的目的是平衡双方的利益。由于广告是一个比较特殊的商品，必须保障该商品完好无缺的交给买家，所以才会和淘宝不一样有一个执行周期。 买家付款后的钱都是直接打到阿里妈妈在支付宝的公司账户上的，所以钱都是在支付宝上的，支付宝会帮阿里妈妈监管这笔钱。

令狐孤：很不幸，你遇到我这个难缠的客户了。。。问题很尖锐，你还是耐心解答，素质很好。

pinson：谢谢，我们其实非常希望大家能够给我们提出帮助阿里妈妈成长的问题，刚刚开始，大家都是希望把这件事情做好 之前发布的一些公司信息可能有些调侃的味道，真正的有效信息会在9月初正式上线时有明确的声明。所以你现在看到的一些信息感觉还不是特别正式：）

令狐孤：阿里妈妈想做什么，我心里明白，周期拖长，可以获得巨额的流动资金，这个无可厚非。但是，我的担心就是怎么保障那笔钱是我在投放广告以后到期了就可以拿到手的。你们没有合约，没有手续，也没有见到我的支付宝里有那笔钱。就算是放到支付宝里，你们也可以用任何理由去拒绝支付。拿回那笔钱。而这些，只凭你的一句：请相信阿里妈妈，我们是诚信的平台。很苍白无力的话。没有看到贵站的公司资料，没有合约，在我们看来，我们是弱势群体。怎么保障弱势群体的利益？

pinson：其实在每位站长注册的时候同意的协议条款都是具有法律效力的，我们是一家诚信的公司，会遵守提出的法律条款。我想这个是法律上的一个保障。
另外，对阿里妈妈的信任的确需要一个时间，现在我们能说的也都只是对我们紧密合作的或作伙伴的信任。需要大家多多尝试，从而获得越来越多的站长的信任。
不管对于买家还是卖家，在广告位的交易中，都可以看作是弱势群体。我们希望阿里妈妈平台能够做成让所有人都能信任的第三方，这样才能有效保障您所说的弱势群体的利益。

令狐孤：那么，我的广告费用什么时候可以到帐？采用周付的方式什么时候可以在阿里妈妈后台上看到我的钱？支付宝上什么时候可以看到我的钱？

pinson：如果使用现在的按月购买，你可以在9月24日左右在阿里妈妈后台看到你这个月的预期收入。然后可以在10月25日的时候通过支付宝提现。

令狐孤：换成周那？一般税点是怎么算的？

pinson：如果采用包周的方式购买，你最快可以在9月2日在阿里妈妈后台看到这周广告的预期收入，然后可以在9月15日的时候通过支付宝体现。 一般来讲，我们会代扣税，以国家规定的个人所得税标准代扣。 当然，现在正在讨论中的是站长提供发票情况下，可以免税的问题 有任何问题，可以随时联系我：）

令狐孤：问题你还没解决。帮我把广告按照周付

pinson：好的，那我想办法给你改过来。 再稍等下。因为系统正常流程是不能随便修改的：）

令狐孤：我就拿站点顶部一个月的广告位来试下阿里妈妈的诚信。9月15号结算？对不对？

 pinson：呵呵，是的。谢谢你对我们的信任：）

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